Curse

Red Sonya · Aug 17, 2005, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Here's a better idea, how about the game keeps track of the poor and every once in a blue moon drops those players a piece of fissure armor designed for the character they are playing?

No need to tax anyone then or need any welfare. Just code the game more for the casual poor player. It would be like winning the lottering for that $1 measly dollar you spent for $64 million dollars.

Yeah A-Net should add this to the game an ingame lottery for 1 plat everyone can enter and ever so often they have a random drawing and that person wins a full set of fissure armor for any of their characters?

LifeInfusion · Aug 17, 2005, 05:48 PM // 17:48

doesn't work, you can just buy the most expensive items to get 0 gold in storage.

zwitterion · Aug 17, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56

I don't think it's an immediately bad idea. Tax gold drops for 150-200k+ and boost it for 10k- or something? So far the only rebuttals here are the "I spend my life farming gold" ones which, frankly, don't carry much weight. They might be the loudest on a forum, but the hardcore players don't make up much of the total game demographic, and, more importantly for a non-subscription based game, even less of the potentially buying crowd (who is seriously going to avoid buying the game because at some point, after months of specialised farming, their gold drops might taper off a bit?).

The only way this could affect the online population would be to make the newbs happier which for a game like GW is a Good Thing. It might even add a little stability to the overwrought, massively manipulated economy.

The only problem with it is that it's all made up money; there is no finite supply so they could achieve almost the same thing by simply making items cheaper or boosting resource drops, no need to piss anyone off.

Killajalavu · Aug 17, 2005, 07:13 PM // 19:13

I feel that he is saying this due to the fact he does not have any gold at all. But when the time comes that he has 100k, and if this idea was put into effect, he would be on here complaining how long it took him to get that much gold, and that it is stupid that his hard earned gold is being given to people who don't have any.

Just like us in the real world.

When you are a kid, you want older people to gain benefits
When you are an adult you don't want older people gaining those benefits because it is costing you money due to taxes
When you are elderly, you want the benefits.

You want this "tax" for those with gold because right now it benefits you in the most way possible, but when it comes time when it has no benefit to you at all, and takes away from you, you will not want it in effect.

Boubou · Aug 17, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43

Last week I had 10-15k in my inn, spent few (a lot in fact) hours farming and went to 100k. It's not that hard earning that money (believe me). And before the ascension, you're not supposed to need this money.

After the desert ? You may need it to buy a 15k armor if you want it, or do like me, help other guildmate

Ohhh and by the way, the taxes may not be a bad idea... but how would you target who gonna pay the taxes ? Why not do like every government and say everyone pay x% .. and that money can be distributed afterward. Not just the rich, it would be fair that way isn't it ?

Another suggestion, why not create a "bank". "Rich" players will put money in bank, and that money can be used to lend to some poorer players to buy whatever they want. If they cannot refund their loan ? Ahumm... create an invasion in their guild hall

Or the game take back their weapon / armor or the vault until they can pay... I don't know

Would be fun to watch

Damon Windwalker · Aug 17, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by wolfy3455

Theres a small (miniscule even) difference between keeping people fed and letting people get 15k armor.

I disagree. My 15k armor is way more important :P

Ristaron · Aug 17, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

I forget who created this, but since you haven't used it yet I'll do it for you.

Zubrowka · Aug 17, 2005, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Your idea is too mild. I call for the creation of re-education camps, where the filthy rich have to kill off endless hordes of devourers until they die from exhaustion, all the while receiving nothing.

EmperorTippy · Aug 17, 2005, 10:48 PM // 22:48

This idea sucks mostly. Want to know why? Because the super wealthy can avoid all or most of the taxes just like in real life. Its simple if I was taxed right now for all gold over 100K I wouldn't lose a cent on either of my accounts. Similary if I decided right now that I needed 15 million gold I could raise it within 10 miniutes.

Now someone with only about 200K can't really do the same thing because while their rich compared to many people they use that gold to buy stuff and they can't put the wealth in items because at any given time if they need the gold they could lose money. Say black dye averages 10K but you need to sell 5 of them to buy that item you really want and black dye is at 5K right this second. You know that black dye will be back up withing a few days but that doesn't help you this second as that really good deal for an item won't be there in a few days.

Now the people like me don't have to worry about this kind of stuff useally. Why? you ask. Simple. Because I the people like me have our money spread among many different items so that when we need gold we just sell a item that is at its normall price or at least is higher than when bought. For me to be inconvinced (sp?) ectoplasm would have to drop below 8K almost instantly, black dye would have to drop below 5K almost instantly, obsidian shards would haev to be worth less than 3-3.5K, deldramor steel would have to be below 400 gold per ingot, and crystalline damage +15% while health is over 50% max damage requirment 8 swords would have to drop below 1 million gold. Plus it would have to be a trade over about 180K as I have about 90K on each of my accounts it gold.

P.S. No one should be poor in this game. With no good drops it took me less than 24 game hours to break the 1 million gold mark having come to this game cold and with about 15 of those hours being spent beating the game, so it was really 9 hours to break 1KK.

prodigy ming · Aug 18, 2005, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by Zubrowka

Your idea is too mild. I call for the creation of re-education camps, where the filthy rich have to kill off endless hordes of devourers until they die from exhaustion, all the while receiving nothing.

you are right that is a much better idea

chill guys this is only a half joke idea...
someone mention i would probably be complaining if I was the one with the gold getting taxed... my answer is: yes, most likely
However, I will probably never get that amount of gold. I love gaming, but aside from all the time spend in lectures, labs and studying, I have like maybe 3 to 4 hours a weeks for GW. Thats hardly enough to enjoy the game and I am definatly not going to spend it on farming. My monk have ascended to lvl 20 for almost 3 weeks now and I still havne't got the chance to go to UW or FoW or any of those weird places. From the rate I am going I will probably not be able to buy a single piece of fissure armor until the 3rd or 4th expansion comes out.

Slade xTekno · Aug 18, 2005, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by prodigy ming

chill guys this is only a half joke idea...

Heretic! The Sanitarium is meant for serious suggestions, like new professions [especially ninja ones, lol]

To be honest, I wouldn't mind this idea. There are lots of newbs that are stuck, need money, and aren't simply aren't high enough level to farm. This could help them out.

Wiqqa · Aug 18, 2005, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by prodigy ming

Why don't all the people with 100K+ get taxed and people with <10K get welfare! Then we can close the gap between rich and poor without nerfing any build AND discourage hording and farming.

What "gap between rich and poor"?
There is no gap between rich and poor in this game, since everything needed to be competitive is unlockable via pvp (runes, upgrades) or extremely cheap (collectors max dmg weapons and armors).
You want welfare to buy yourself a crystalline (probably sucky) sword or what?

Now that i think about it... welfare = collectors

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Ultimate_Gaara · Aug 18, 2005, 02:54 AM // 02:54

Don't bother taxing them.. just slap them in the face with more brutal nerfs so i can hear them whine.. the sound that puts me to sleep at night

the bloodthirst · Aug 18, 2005, 03:14 AM // 03:14

/slap

this is a stupid idea. i am not a hardcore farmer like some ppl but, i can make 100k easily. I cant make it fast but i could do it in a day or two. you are clearly new to the game and are having a hard time getting money. just play the game. you dont need "uber" weapons and armor. the ppl who have all that stuff real early either bought their money off ebay, have money in their storage to spend or had their friends buy it for them. you dont need lots of money to play. I havent had more than 30k at one time yet (i still managed to buy my 15k armor).

Maiyn · Aug 20, 2005, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by ocoini

Phwaaa... communism works, nothing has been proved.

/cheer

I give away gold items all the time and what not. Maybe we should ask our rich farmers to start being a little less greedy.

Jessy · Aug 20, 2005, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Take your greedy hands of my gold ...

... funny how everyone wants it, but nobody wants to work for it.

Kai Nui · Aug 20, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Ok, I'm not going to work at all and just accumulate money. Haha. HORRIBLE IDEA.

xenoaroe · Aug 20, 2005, 02:31 PM // 14:31

im kidna sick of these kinda threads. If you dont have money, go play the game some more, farm, dont know how to farm? Go learn theres numerous threads out there about it. Its stupid that people complain about this stuff. "The poor get poorer, boo hoo." Money is one of the least concerns you have in this game. You can be competeive with little to no money in this game. Its designed that way. Stop posting about how its unfair that you have no money, and go make some. "But i dont have a monk character", you say. So what. I farm with my elementalist and my warrior. "But i only have a ranger," you say. Three words. Underworld Trap Run. Seriously people. There is a way to get money no matter what kinda character you have. If your poor and want 15k armor, go get the money, not post about it, its not like the people who have money in this game got it because they had a lucky registration code. They worked and grinded for it. Now bots are a different story, but most people who have money do it without the aid of bots. Period. End of story.